A Friend of Howard Stern’s Is A Friend of Mine
I listen to Howard Stern. As a successful 30-something-something entrepreneurial female, I’m not the typical Stern target fan (although there are many white collar white chicks out there who are big fans). I have been fascinated by Howard over many milestones. When he got drunk on the air and called up and berated then-wife Alison (or at least that’s how I remembered it as a kid, before my mom shut the radio off), when Howard left WCCC in Hartford, when Howard went national and I got to hear him again in CT, when I finally got to see the show’s ridiculously mutly crew on ET and, finally, now at Sirius.
Each morning when I can catch the show in my car, I flip around from NPR to BBC to music to whatever but I always go back to Howard. I could never really explain why I liked Howard, except for basic entertainment value, until today.
Today, Howard proved to me why he is the King of All Media. His guests were the Counting Crows. Lead Singer Adam Duritz did most of the Crows’ interview and, when he first started talking, I thought the whole interview was going to be one big headache. The guy couldn’t answer a straight question. He was dressed in a bunny suit and was more intent on giving Howard flip answers and jokey comments that went nowhere. I was happy to only visualize his pink ridiculousness versus really seeing it. I thought, “Give me a break Adam. Don’t try so hard. Just shut up and sing.”
And then, it changed. Howard isn’t a practical, tidy interviewer like Ed Bradley or Terry Gross but he is incredibly astute to chemistry. Adam wasn’t giving Howard what he wanted. He was dodging, skimming and sliding. I was expecting Howard to give up at any minute. Well, I was hoping he would give up. Nope. Howard persevered and I suddenly started paying more attention to Howard’s strategy instead of Adam.
I think there’s a lot we can learn from Howard when it comes to having an intriguing conversation. How many times have you talked with a client or colleague and walked away thinking it was a total waste of time? Or, maybe it felt like you got the basics covered but something was missing. It was good but not great. Howard knows how to get great - it’s his thing.
I never thought I’d say this but here’s how I will apply Howard’s interview tactics in my biz:
1) Get out of the ditch. As soon as Howard could tell that Adam was going to be a tricky interview, he started treating the discussion like a 2-wheel drive sedan stuck in a ditch. He gave it just enough gas to inch it forward but not too much to dig a bigger ditch. There are delicate ways to get information out of people. People want to tell you things - good, bad and ugly. It’s all in how you shimmy the rear end.
2) Move on. If your interviewee or counterpart is stubborn, ask them something else. When Howard could’ve gotten frustrated with Adam’s avoidance of questions, he threw a different zinger at him. The result was Howard slowly picking at Adam, wearing him down from all angles until Adam finally started having a real conversation. This is because Adam finally caught on that he was beginning to sound like a jackass. But, and here is the genius of Howard, it wasn’t Howard making him look like a jackass. Adam was doing the work all himself. To correct it, he intuitively began to open up to Howard. When he did, he showed his intelligence and genuine nature. Suddenly, he was connecting with Howard which meant he was now connecting with Howard’s fans.
3) Start with the finish line. Howard’s goal with interviewing Adam and the Counting Crows (well, mostly Adam) was to entertain his fans. Nothing new, of course. That’s his goal every day. But, the important thing to remember is that he never lost sight of the goal throughout the interview. The session transformed from bunny-suited rock guy spouting glib weirdness to a bunch of guys hanging out. The whole interview actually flipped: it went from stiff and forced to an unexpected good time. You can’t structure that. Howard worked hard at making sure the interview ended in its best form and he did it by reading the interactions of his interviewee, not by just jamming questions down his throat and hoping for good responses.
By the time the Crows started to play, I wanted them to hang in the studio all day. And then it just got better. They played two songs - Round Here and a new one, Washington Square. Then, Howard asked the band if they ever just messed around in the studio and played whatever when they hung out. Adam mentioned that they did a good version of the Grateful Dead’s “A Friend of the Devil.” So, they played it. I, like Howard, can’t stand the Grateful Dead but we both had to give them props for an awesome version. The conversation continued and, before I knew it, they were playing Springsteen’s Thunder Road. Where else could you get this out of a band? It just doesn’t exist.
I feel like Howard is at his best right now because he’s on Sirius and he doesn’t even realize why. I’ll tell him: he has brought community to entertainment. Everything that’s burgeoning in the realm of techie community, from sharing vids to me writing this post for anyone to stumble on, wants what Howard delivers. Once again, Howard’s ahead. Love or hate the King of All Media, we can all learn from him.
As a side note, if big business continues to block the Sirius-XM merger, they are not just sticking it to Howard and satellite radio. They are sticking it to all of us - at least for now. Communities that build online and in new formats like satellite radio are inevitable. The big pockets can’t hold it back forever.